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Bridg4d_Pie_
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It is Monday December 14th 2009, still the questions remained unanswered, the Trust is becoming more like the Mary Celeste as each day passes by.

Every Thing Forward & Trust In The Lord.
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Nick Baker
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According to this page :-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/foot...iksson-lawyers-money

quote:
Trembling would not comment when asked if his takeover had invalidated the £5m "guarantee" issued by the finance company First London to Blenheim 1862. That document, which guaranteed funds for Qadbak's takeover, had persuaded the Notts County supporters' trust to hand over its shares in the club for £1 in June.

Trembling's takeover has further clouded the situation but when asked if he will attempt to enforce the terms of the £5m guarantee, Trembling also declined to comment.


Things are unravelling fast. Well we (the Trust members) had the chance to vote them out before the takeover and we didn't, I suspect mainly on the basis of unity and continuity.

I am complaining on this message board because we have no power at all, it is all out of our hands and our fate rests with mysterious people. Our club could fold within days and I know who I will hold responsible.
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Phil Marshall
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Things are unravelling fast. Well we (the Trust members) had the chance to vote them out before the takeover and we didn't, I suspect mainly on the basis of unity and continuity.


You forgot "disinformation."


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Simon

Al-Thani has nothing to do with Munto/Qadbak
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waittwatcher
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BAP
If you reread Simon's post, he is saying that Al-Thani had nothing to do with Qadbak.

Glenn,
I am still waiting for the answer to an earlier post made 6 or so months ago:
"Please clarify that the irrevocable bank guarantee is a Confirmed one to be issued / or has been issued by a first class bank and is not conditional"

The Guardian has since reported:
"Finally, it is unclear what company gave this guarantee. The letter to Blenheim is given by First London Securities plc but that name was changed to First London plc in July 2008. First London plc was in turn taken over by First London Group on 16th May 2009. First London Securities Limited is a 100% owned subsidiary of First London but the letter is signed on behalf of First London Securities plc which appears to no longer exist.

First London's lawyers have said that the guarantee was actually made by a Bahrain-domiciled subsidiary of First London. As at 31 March, the only Bahrain domiciled subsidiary of First London was shown as dormant, though this situation may have changed between 31 March and the date of the guarantee. The letter that Blenheim 1862 received was sent on First London notepaper that showed their St James' Square address in London. First London declined to identify the subsidiary that made the guarantee. A spokesperson for First London said: "The First London subsidiary in question is holding 200% cover for any call on the guarantee and that First London itself has liquid assets far in excess of any putative call."

What legal advice was provided to the Trust and by whom that the bank guarantee was acceptable and would easily be enforceable?
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Simon.Bird
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BAP

As WaittWatcher mentioned, I was trying to say that I didn't believe that Al Thani were involved in Munto which was a minority opinion at the time.

Re-reading that posting, the following is surprisingly upbeat given the way things have worked out:

"My belief, for what it's worth, is that Munto are a group of UK expats currently working in the Middle East looking for involvement in UK football as a mixture of a hobby and an investment. It's probably more of an investment than Derek Pavis' commitment but they will be hoping for some fun along the way as he did."
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bigapplepie
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Originally posted by waittwatcher:
BAP
If you reread Simon's post, he is saying that Al-Thani had nothing to do with Qadbak.

Glenn,
I am still waiting for the answer to an earlier post made 6 or so months ago:
"Please clarify that the irrevocable bank guarantee is a Confirmed one to be issued / or has been issued by a first class bank and is not conditional"

The Guardian has since reported:
"Finally, it is unclear what company gave this guarantee. The letter to Blenheim is given by First London Securities plc but that name was changed to First London plc in July 2008. First London plc was in turn taken over by First London Group on 16th May 2009. First London Securities Limited is a 100% owned subsidiary of First London but the letter is signed on behalf of First London Securities plc which appears to no longer exist.

First London's lawyers have said that the guarantee was actually made by a Bahrain-domiciled subsidiary of First London. As at 31 March, the only Bahrain domiciled subsidiary of First London was shown as dormant, though this situation may have changed between 31 March and the date of the guarantee. The letter that Blenheim 1862 received was sent on First London notepaper that showed their St James' Square address in London. First London declined to identify the subsidiary that made the guarantee. A spokesperson for First London said: "The First London subsidiary in question is holding 200% cover for any call on the guarantee and that First London itself has liquid assets far in excess of any putative call."

What legal advice was provided to the Trust and by whom that the bank guarantee was acceptable and would easily be enforceable?


My mistake. Good information.

So is legal action being taken against First London?
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Bridg4d_Pie_
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Location: West Bridgford
Registered:: Mon 15 October 2007
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It would appear that the Trust were very quick off the mark to collect 2009/10 subscriptions from its Membership all beit the Members paying by Direct Debit etc.

What a great pity that they can no longer see their way clear to answer the Members questions that are being posted on this Board on a regular basis as quickly !

Remember we voted you into these positions on the Trust Board on the back of your promises at Trust Election's,"OR NOT", sadly rather like Munto they also appear to be hollow.

So Glenn what are the odds on the Members questions being answered any time soon, you may of course be in your Xmas Recession rather like the Real Politicians,or are The Trust still working on what excuses to feed us this time around.It is getting to late in the day to offer us the "we are working on it line".I have been a Supporter for almost sixty years I can assure you that line is wearing Thin, Very Thin.

Every Thing Forward & Trust In The Lord.

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Phil Marshall
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It would appear that the Trust were very quick off the mark to collect 2009/10 subscriptions from its Membership all beit the Members paying by Standing Orders etc.


A standing order is where you tell your bank to make a payment on a certain date, the Trust do not collect the standing orders. What is scandalous is that SO payers (and life members) have forked out, but have the same rights as those who have not paid.


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Bridg4d_Pie_
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Originally posted by Phil Marshall:
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It would appear that the Trust were very quick off the mark to collect 2009/10 subscriptions from its Membership all beit the Members paying by Standing Orders etc.


A standing order is where you tell your bank to make a payment on a certain date, the Trust do not collect the standing orders. What is scandalous is that SO payers (and life members) have forked out, but have the same rights as those who have not paid.


I stand corrected meant to say Direct Debit will edit the post, My appologies.
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